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Alder Road to Coy Pond Quiet Route

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I have been very impressed by the community building which has taken place in Coy Pond over the years, especially through tending and reviving the rock gardens at this point on the map. Allowing volunteers to get here to work and come together and more people to come and enjoy the results of their work will be another bonus from improving this route. I have seen numerous people having their wedding photos taken here and it is a really special place. Opening it up to people to arrive here without a car will make it more peaceful and mean more people can enjoy it without using up the limited car parking space, perhaps leaving it for more disabled parking spaces.
It is brilliant to see a route being improved which will allow people to get to a train station more safely without the use of a car. The parking near the station is very limited for cars so allowing people to get to the station without one will again let people switch from private car journeys to using a train to get around.
This retail park has recently had to introduce controls on length of time parking which may well impact negatively on their tenants and customers Making it possible to visit the retail park on foot, or by bicycle safely, especially for employees, will mean less pressure on the car parking and make it easier to recruit for the business by attracting people who want to cycle or walk to work but will currently be deterred by the speeding and lack of crossings along this proposed quiet route.
Being able to get to Bournemouth gardens without a car for so many more people safely and conveniently whether for leisure or commuting is a huge plus both for residents, employers and the businesses in Bournemouth and anywhere else along the route.
I welcome the government's newly published guidance on setting 20mph limits and the presence of both schools on this map make it essential to keep speeds low enough for crossing the road to be safe including with younger siblings or pregnant mothers who may be slowed down by being pregnant. It happens!
I've walked this crossing myself and found it very helpful. I'm not getting any younger and the prospect of taking your like in your hands just to enjoy a walk through Bournemouth gardens is not pleasant and definitely ageist as reactions slow and vision and hearing which warn you of approaching cars definitely reduce in most people as we get older. We need more crossings to enjoy public places and get to them safely.
Children getting to school should have their rights under the United Nations Convention on the Child respected by being kept safe without having to travel by car for protection. The right to life and development is seriously compromised by missing out of exercise needed because travel by bicycle or walking is too dangerous.
20mph is a no brainer here for linking up to the active travel routes through the gardens down into Bournemouth totally by passing the roads used by cars.
This is essential to stop all the pavement parking in the area which makes walking along this road even more dangerous, especially with so many cars flying along.
Cutting the speed along this road is essential to allowing people to walk to work at the nearby industrial units and up to the Redlands retail unit. It is just too fast for people to cross at present. I can't wait for this to be brought in and pressure relieved on the parallel route past John Lewis.
Good, moving the crossing to the desire line will stop people continuing to cross there without a crossing, which is very dangerous for everyone on the roundabout. No point having a crossing people won't walk to. Letting cyclists have their own part of it will be much safer as well. When I drive this route I see almost no pedestrians because conditions are so bad here for walking at present.
I use the Poole Road Ashley Road route by car frequently and am delighted to see this parallel route will reduce the dreadful traffic gridlock around those roundabouts just as the Baiter/Whitecliff paths and the Keyhole/Poole Park cycle routes have taken so much traffic off Sandbanks Road and Parkstone Road.
Better bus stops will make it bus travel far more accessible to people who can't stand for long or don't appreciate getting soaked in the rain.
Good. It's a nightmare to cross this road to the rec at the moment.
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I would like to express my strong support for the proposed Quiet Route between Alder Road and Coy Pond. This area currently feels unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists, and the introduction of a dedicated cycle route would significantly improve safety and accessibility for local residents.

Traffic calming measures are essential to ensure the success of the scheme. In particular, a speed hump along the section indicated in blue (or at least some of Sheringham and Wroxham where people cut through) would help reduce vehicle speeds and create a safer environment.

Parking issues along the route (again mostly the Sheringham and Wroxham elements) also need to be addressed, as indiscriminate parking narrows the carriageway and increases the risk for cyclists and pedestrians. Better parking management would greatly enhance the effectiveness of the proposed improvements.

It may also be appropriate to review the current bus route arrangements in order to ensure they align safely and efficiently with the proposed changes.
in reply to Steve Greenland's comment
More people cycling = fewer cars on the roads. Win-win.
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Too much shared use path here. Replace with segregated cycle track?
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Too much shared use path here. Replace with segregated cycle track?
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Would like to see a cycle priority roundabout here - cycle routes are supposed to be "at least" as direct as the routes available to motorists.
in reply to William Wherity's comment
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This section should be segregated cycle track, not shred use path.
in reply to User 606144's comment
Crossing should be in the most convenient place for cyclists and pedestrians, not drivers!
in reply to BCPLocal1 1's comment
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I think the priority of the junction should be changed so the cycle route has priority over other roads. A one-way system could reduce the volume of rat-running traffic.
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Too much shared use path here. Replace with segregated cycle track? Under new guidance, pedestrians are not supposed to have to board or leave a bus directly into a shared-use cycle path.
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Too much shared use path here. Replace with segregated cycle track?
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Too much shared use path here. Replace with segregated cycle track?
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I think there also needs to be another parallel crossing on Recreation Rd for cyclists cycling North on Alder Road to be able to join the cycle route going East
in reply to Gary Waldron's comment
Too many cars using Yarmouth Road - it is not supposed to be a through route but many people use it to avoid A35/A338.
in reply to BCPLocal1 1 1's comment
Drivers should be navigating junctions and roundabouts with care anyway. The idea of road and junction narrowing is they automatically cause drivers to slow down. It makes it less comfortable to drive fast through those sections; the sensation of speed is increased and things like kerbs and parked cars are closer to the vehicle.

I'm in support of these measures to calm traffic in this area to support safer routes, especially for children walking to school.
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I'm in full support of a safe crossing point here to connect up two quiet routes either side of Alder Rd. This is time could be an excellent quiet route all the way from Bournemouth town centre to Poole town centre.

With regards to congestion on the Alder Rd / Yarmouth road junction, this is caused by drivers piling across the yellow hatched box as the lights change and blocking the road up, the light sequence at the Herbert Ave junction aren't in green long enough to clear those extra vehicles from the queue and allow the traffic going up the hill from Ashley Rd to Herbert Ave to move forwards, this then causes a knock on effect up at Pottery Junction.

This is all caused by driver behaviour, not the lights timings or the layout of the road.
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As a regular driver, walker and cyclist of this route the new crossing is better position for majority of crossings, passes over a current box junction so shouldn't affect right turn traffic anymore than now. However I think keeping the existing pedestrian crossing refuge is not a good idea. Removal would likely improve traffic flow and reduce less safe crossings. I have seen many people cross here thinking cars would automatically stop like on a Zebra then nearly get hit.
in reply to User 809971's comment
Don't think is is too close as crosses over the current box junction, where cars cannot wait on anyway.
in reply to anonymous 86's comment
The proposed zebra crossing is from Sheringham Road to Branksome Recreation Ground.
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I don't think the double yellow lines need to be so long as can sometimes be very hard to park. Also I notice when walking and cycling the parked cars do slow down traffic to safe speed and Recreation Road is already easy to cross.
This road is already an extremely busy road, with long queues to the Branksome Rec traffic lights and the Bourne Valley roundabout the other way, due to traffic trying to avoid the traffic on Poole Road/LV roundabout. As a resident of Winston Avenue, it is extremely slow trying to get onto Yarmouth Road at rush hour. Whilst the proposal for a cycle route on Sheringham Road is good, introducing cycle lanes on the already narrow Yarmouth Road is not.
I do not understand how this can be safe, or a good idea. The traffic in this area is already horrendous, adding these further obstructions will only exasperate this already dire situation.
in reply to User 503104 2's comment
That is the drawing "cut line" - it marries with the cut line on the other part of the drawing - it's just where they can't fit the whole long route on one page without "cutting" it in half.
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I am concerned about the junction between Wroxham and Yarmouth Road for cyclist turning right from Wroxham into Yarmouth Road. It appears that they are expected to cross Wroxham Road near the junction then proceed along the pavement/cycle lane on the South side of Yarmouth Road. There is a similar arrangement where Burton Road meets Lindsay Road. It can be very dangerous as cyclist turning right tend to cross the road early, cycle along the pavement and then go round the (blind) corner too quickly, posing a threat to cyclists and pedestrians travelling west along the main road. It would be safer to have a place where cyclists could cross Yarmouth Road to the west of Wroxham Road
in reply to User 809971 1 1's comment
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Agree with this idea, both this entrance, the end of Cromer Road and Wroxham Road are used as rat runs to bypass traffic build up on Yarmouth, Alder and Poole Rds
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This bottom part of Wroxham road has high speed traffic, using the road to avoid main traffic up to poole road and as a rat run to avoid traffic on Yarmouth road. The road also has high levels of employees from local business park using as a carpark and park over dropped kerbs, yellow lines and pavement park.
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This junction is already a blind corner, cars accelerate and speed from roundabout and making the junction tighter will make matters worse
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This junction is very busy, cars vans and lorries use this junction to avoid the queues on the main road and jump the queue down at the traffic lights
in reply to Gary Waldron's comment
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The buses go down and up the road at quite a rate, agree space is tight, coupled with local business park employees using the road as a carpark and pavement parking makes visibility worse still,
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Please can we have some double yellow lines from the shop on Recreation Road up to the corner of Gloucester Road? It can be very difficult to get off Alder Road onto Recreation Road with two sets of cars parked along either side of recreation, plus traffic build up. This would allow traffic to exit the main road easier into Recreation Road and allow for build up of traffic going toward the Alder Road junction, which will be made potentially worse by these changes during rush hour/school run/circus/funfair etc...
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Is this where there are currently steps going from the path into Coy pond? If so that will need changing to allow for cyclists.
in reply to Harriet Stewart-Jones's comment
There would potentially be a call to extend this route across to Turners Nursery and Haskells, creating a green route.
in reply to Harriet Stewart-Jones's comment
Normally I would agree with you, however those trees on the end currently restrict the view of traffic coming out of recreation road, especially when they are in leaf. If they are only going to remove 1 or 2 and then replace them with trees on the rec, I think that is win, win.
in reply to Harriet Stewart-Jones's comment
Hopefully recreation road can be addressed in time
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I second the idea of giving the track leading up to the school a tarmac surface; it would then be much easier to use all year round. And connects really well with this quiet route.
in reply to Suzanne Smith's comment
It's unclear what kind of protection you're asking for? Does your car have any kind of barrier protecting it from other cars?
in reply to Julia Tratt's comment
Oh yes I completely agree. That track would be so much better if it had a better surface. And it would connect to the rest of the changes on this route.